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Offline Dave Baker

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I upgraded again
« on: October 30, 2011, 06:29:02 AM »
Hi all,

Time to confess, I just upgraded my editing PC again!

I pensioned off the old Intel Core 2 Quad, motherboard and RAM and in went the latest Asus M5A88-V Evo board with an AMD Phenom II x6 1100T Black Edition processor and 16gb DDR3 RAM. This board has pretty much every connection there is including SPDIF, HDMI, eSATA and USB3. It is also compatible with the new AMD FX series 32nm CPUs like the "Bulldozer" 8 core. I was going to have the 8 core until I found out that the hex core Phenom 1100T is better at present. This Black Edition can take a fair amount of overclocking if I ever feel the need.

It has been a bit of a revelation. Not only has my Sony AVC problem gone away, but my display has improved with a brighter, higher contrast and smoother playback which is also evident in the Vegas preview window. Audio is punchier too with better transient response, tighter bass and a clarity I didn't know a PC was capable of.

Loading a Vegas project is improved. Now the RAM meter shows a maximum of around 30% while loading rather than the 100% it showed before, it didn't matter how the paging file was set up.

Rendering is another revelation! Fortunately I still have the notepad I wrote rendering times on when I was having the Sony AVC custom tab freezing problem, so I was able to do comparisons. So if you're interested:

The frame size for all is 1920 x 1080p, audio sample rate 48,000 Hz (except for Sony AVC which will only take a maximum setting of 44,100 Hz for some reason), 128,000bps. The video render settings for CBR are 10,000,000bps Best and VBR 10,000,000 average 20,000,000 maximum, Best. The project is 8min 59sec 16ff long, 3 video and 2 audio tracks. Outputs all .mp4.

Sony AVC (1 pass only)    before       30min 50sec
                                       after          23min 11sec
Main Concept CBR 1 pass before 1hr 06min 48sec
                                       after         34 min 48sec
                     VBR 1 pass before 1hr 08 min 11sec
                                       after         32 min 11sec
                     VBR 2 pass before 3hr 09min 21sec
                                       after    1hr 03 min 26sec

It is interesting to open AI Suite, which controls the performance parameters like power saving, clock speed etc. and see that all 6 cores are working at 98-100% during rendering.

The upgrade went smoothly enough, except that the new board is full size, the old one was smaller, so I had to get some more fixing screws. The pillars were already in the case. There was one unexplainable oddity though, my wireless desk top, which has worked perfectly with Windows 7 64-bit all this time, suddenly was not recognised at boot-up although it was fine after unplugging and reconnecting. I downloaded the latest drivers which didn't help, so it got replaced as well after a couple of days.

All this and I only wanted to add some more RAM! The old Gigabyte board only took a max. of 4 gigs, fine for XP 32-bit which I had when I fitted it, but not so good for 64-bit Win 7. Well, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!

Dave
                           
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Re: I upgraded again
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2011, 08:47:58 PM »
Hi Dave
Awesome..I bet that makes your edits fly!!! I went from a DuoCore 2.2 to an i7 2600 and with AVCHD natively on the timeline my render times to DVD PAL were an amazing 1/3rd of realtime...on the DuoCore I had to firstly transcode to HDV so I could preview and then render was something like 8 x realtime!!
Are you using Vegas 10??? I'm interested to know how your previews run... shooting at 21 mbps I find my full screen preview sometimes drops to half resolution (at 1920x1080 half is still good!!) especially with two tracks of video on a two cam shoot!! However at 17mbps footage i can run two camera tracks and still keep full screen resolution!!  I was simply wondering if your extra ram helps here??? I'm running just 8GB ram!!
I don't shoot 720 anymore so even if I preview with half resolution I still get a 920x 540 image on a 1440 monitor but when I was doing 720 double frame rate the half res was lousy!! as it dropped to 640x360!!!!
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Re: I upgraded again
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2011, 01:05:15 PM »
Hi Chris,

Not sure there is much I can tell you that is helpful. I use Vegas Pro 9, I also shoot at 21mbps but never use full screen preview and I always transcode to Cineform AVI. So far, I have not seen the RAM showing more than 52% full and that was during the first two or three times Vegas loaded the current project. Since then it has settled down to around 30% while loading, even though there is more on the timeline.

I am into my first project with the new setup, but I am not able to give it much time at present. It looks good so far, but I will have to reserve judgement until it's completed.

Dave

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Re: I upgraded again
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2011, 02:54:08 AM »
Hi Dave
With those specs you should be able to put the native AVCHD straight onto the timeline without the lengthy transcode process!!!! It saves an awful amount of time..just drop the clips in direct from the camera, edit and render..I do my Realty shoots now in about 1/3rd of the time!!!
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Re: I upgraded again
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2011, 12:50:09 PM »
Hi Chris,

Yes I know, but transcoding with NeoScene suits the way I work and gives a very high video quality.

Dave

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Re: I upgraded again
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2011, 06:18:11 PM »
Hi
I agree that the upgrade to an 6 core processor is amazing.
My previous PC (Athlon Dualk core, 6000+) got completely lost with any HD materia.
I upgraded last year for the same CPU. (I considered a 12 core processor, but the price tag was outlandish)
The six-corwe performance is amazing.
DVD in less than real time and Blue Ray/HD at least real time.
BTW I am an AVID Studio user, no transcoding of my Panasonic streams needed.
 
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